New optical storage breakthrough could make CDs relevant again

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Why it matters: In the new digital age, CDs and DVDs have become relics, replaced by the popularity of streaming and cloud storage. However, scientists think they may have found a way to bring optical disc storage roaring back – with a massive upgrade that massively increases data density.

Researchers at the University of Chicago and Argonne National Lab have developed a new type of optical memory that stores data by transferring light from rare-earth element atoms embedded in a solid material to nearby quantum defects. They published their study in Physical Review Research.

The problem that the researchers aim to solve is the diffraction limit of light in standard CDs and DVDs. Current optical storage has a hard cap on data density because each single bit can't be smaller than the wavelength of the reading/writing laser.

The researchers propose bypassing this limit by stuffing the material with rare-earth emitters, such as magnesium oxide (MgO) crystals. The trick, called wavelength multiplexing, involves having each emitter use a slightly different wavelength of light. They theorized that this would allow cramming far more data into the same storage footprint.

The researchers first had to tackle the physics and model all the requirements to build a proof of concept. They simulated a theoretical solid material filled with rare-earth atoms that absorb and re-emit light. The models then showed how the nearby quantum defects could capture and store the returned light.

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One of the fundamental discoveries was that when a defect absorbs the narrow wavelength energy from those nearby atoms, it doesn't just get excited – its spin state flips. Once it flips, it is nearly impossible to revert, meaning those defects could legitimately store data for a long time.

While it's a promising first step, some crucial questions still need answers. For example, verifying how long those excited states persist is essential. Details were also light on capacity estimates – the scientists touted "ultra-high-density" but didn't provide any projections against current disc capacities. Yet, despite the remaining hurdles, the researchers are hyped, calling it a "huge first step."

Of course, turning all this into an actual commercial storage product will likely take years of additional research and development.

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I like the physical media. I miss getting movies on disc - a lot just go to streaming and never make it to disc. I don't want to pay a streaming service to rent time to view a movie and I don't want to pay a digital service money to be allowed access to said movie as long as I have access to that service.

I like my movies on disc. I can put them on my plex server or watch them on my DVD player when I want to.

The only upside I can think of for having a movie on a streaming service is to access it wherever you are, but with remote access to my sever I can stream any movie I have when I want, where I want. I don't trust these digital services, there are stories out there of access being lost to movies/games because services stop or they lose rights to distribute stuff.
 
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I like the physical media. I miss getting movies on disc - a lot just go to streaming and never make it to disc. I don't want to pay a streaming service to rent time to view a movie and I don't want to pay a digital service money to be allowed access to said movie as long as I have access to that service.

I like my movies on disc. I can put them on my plex server or watch them on my DVD player when I want to.

The only upside I can think of for having a movie on a streaming service is to access it wherever you are, but with remote access to my sever I can stream any movie I have when I want, where I want. I don't trust these digital services, there are stories out there of accessing being lost to movies/games because services stop or they lose rights to distribute stuff.
I’m exactly the same, if a movie I like and want to watch (again if I watched it at the cinema) I will buy it on Blu-ray or 4K Blu-ray.

If it isn’t available, the “high seas” will deliver me the goods. If a service existed like music, where I can buy a one off download of a movie in full quality with no DRM, I would do it, but such a service doesn’t exist.
 
I’m exactly the same, if a movie I like and want to watch (again if I watched it at the cinema) I will buy it on Blu-ray or 4K Blu-ray.

If it isn’t available, the “high seas” will deliver me the goods. If a service existed like music, where I can buy a one off download of a movie in full quality with no DRM, I would do it, but such a service doesn’t exist.
Well, companies have shown that buying a lifetime viewing license can be revoked and can't cmbe transfered to other platforms.

Franky, the state of digital media sucks. It's not that I'm un willing to pay for things, I'd happily buy something I watch and keep it somewhere. The thing is, everything is a subscription now and there is no buying option. Piracy offers a better user experience and it's free. On top of that, all the subscription services are MORE expensive than cable and some subscription services add ads into stuff even when you do pay for it. It's either ad supported and free or it's a pay subscription, not both.
 
I've often wondered why the (now) economically cheap to produce SD, MicroSD etc cards aren't used for hard copy's of games and movies etc...
I mean, they don't have to be write enabled or anything like that - just high speed readable, probably reducing the manufacturing cost considerably more, and you could theoretically store massive numbers of postage stamp sized cards in a much smaller space in your shelves at home than optical disks. A whole secondary industry around storage cases or drawers for the smaller format could be introduced (imagine a thin plastic holder the size of a playing card that holds the memory card on one side and the other has the cover art of the movie or game on it... then a small card box like a business card holder box that could be finger flipped through easily to find your movie or game...)
Just random thoughts....
 
I subscribe to enough streaming services that I don't feel bad sailing the seas when none of them have the movie I want to watch.

If movie rental stores still existed and they were stocked with 4K blue rays, I would be a customer.
 
No comeback on the cards for most uses. The reason why discs died in the last decade for consumers wasn't just because they couldn't store enough data.

It was because:

1. Typical read/write speeds and particularly access speeds are not very fast.
2. The cost of NAND flash memory per gigabyte cratered. Implementations are usually faster, and easier to rewrite.
3. Not just NAND, high density hard drives cost per gigabyte fell considerably
4. The cost went down and availability of high speed internet went up. A lot. This also applies to cellular networks. 5GB of monthly 3G data fifteen years ago was not cheap. Unlimited 4/5G data today is relatively cheap, in many developed countries.

3 and 4 led to 5:

Cheap, widely available and mass acceptance of reliable cloud storage.

Most storage and distribution problems are solved better by one or a mixture of the above technologies for most people in their everyday lives.

As an afterthought you can also point to compression software and decompression hardware for video improving which also eases high quality media distribution. A two hour HEVC 1080p movie looks and sounds pretty darn good at a 5GB file size.

Good enough for you, the hardcore enthusiast? No, but good enough for the 98 percent.
 
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I'm all for physical media, but I'm sure no one wants a return to the disk days.

#1 Disks easily got scratched, damaged or unreadable.
#2 Cost of HDD declined.
#3 Cost of flash media declined.
#4 Cost of cloud storage declined.
#5 Cost of broadband internet declined, availability increased and most data caps lifted.

I love physical media but for me, it means a file on my HDD or SSD.

I have all the episodes of my favorite TV episodes and some of my favorite classic films on a 2TB HDD where they'll stay till I can get a 16TB SSD.
 
I'm sure no one wants a return to the disk days.
I do! Bring it on back! Hell yeah!
#1 Disks easily got scratched, damaged or unreadable.
Only if people were careless with their discs. And Bluray disc? You can't easily scratch those. Total non-issue.
#2 Cost of HDD declined.
Yeah, ok. But that only counts for people transcoding their own videos. You've gotta have the original discs to begin with and that assumes people know how to do it. That's a very small group. Not a good point.
#3 Cost of flash media declined.
See above.
#4 Cost of cloud storage declined.
Cloud storage has nothing to do with it.
#5 Cost of broadband internet declined, availability increased and most data caps lifted.
Now that's a fair point due to streaming media.
I love physical media but for me, it means a file on my HDD or SSD.
Another fair point. I disagree personally. I like get a movie off my shelf, putting in a disc and playing it without having to worry about ads or stream glitches.
till I can get a 16TB SSD.
That will not happen anytime this decade without a major breakthrough in SRAM storage.
 
I lived during the golden age of CD/DVD era. my first laptop which came with DVD-RW drive which costs a fortuner 20 years ago. bought a lot of DVD drives including one with Lightscribe. I even bought a lot of mini-DVD which is very small but still can do 1.4GB per disc. I still remember there were DVD-RW and DVD+RW rewritable discs, I bought a bunch of those for my backup, back when my laptop had only 80GB internal HDD which I guess was pretty respectable 20 years ago.

can't be happier when stopped manufacturing PCs and laptop with DVD drives because who the hell miss them. still remember the old days of reinstalling windows with DVDs and having slow install because the built-in DVD drive, some were faster than others.

I like physical media such as usb drives and sdcards but I have no love for optical medias anymore. I have a bunch of usb drives over the years and today with fast internet it feels like people are not even using them anymore and they will slowly be phased just like CD and DVDs. this morning I just transferred a 41GB file to a friend through android's quickshare and I was surprised it took way lesser time to transfer via wifi than it is to copy to a sandisk ultra otg drive.

I've often wondered why the (now) economically cheap to produce SD, MicroSD etc cards aren't used for hard copy's of games and movies etc...
I mean, they don't have to be write enabled or anything like that - just high speed readable, probably reducing the manufacturing cost considerably more, and you could theoretically store massive numbers of postage stamp sized cards in a much smaller space in your shelves at home than optical disks. A whole secondary industry around storage cases or drawers for the smaller format could be introduced (imagine a thin plastic holder the size of a playing card that holds the memory card on one side and the other has the cover art of the movie or game on it... then a small card box like a business card holder box that could be finger flipped through easily to find your movie or game...)
Just random thoughts....

I guess you can still find nintendo switch games in form of sdcard. I believe one of the biggest reason they disappeared is because they are so easy to "fake". why make a physical product which costs more (manufacturing and transport) and can easily be counterfeited if they can do online-only releases with way more margin.

20 years ago when you told your friends you have a "library" of 250 games they will think it's a nice collection of CD cases with different physical artworks for display. today when you tell your friends you have a library of 250 games they will think it's just a steam account with pages of games which you can screenshot.

I like the idea of physical copy of the game (I.e. switch sdcard games) as they are truly yours and transferable but at the end of the day nobody buys them anymore. it's just like physical books. sure it's nice to have physical books which you can also give away once you're done using but today bookstores are dying because less and less people are buying them.
 
I've often wondered why the (now) economically cheap to produce SD, MicroSD etc cards aren't used for hard copy's of games and movies etc...
I mean, they don't have to be write enabled or anything like that - just high speed readable, probably reducing the manufacturing cost considerably more, and you could theoretically store massive numbers of postage stamp sized cards in a much smaller space in your shelves at home than optical disks. A whole secondary industry around storage cases or drawers for the smaller format could be introduced (imagine a thin plastic holder the size of a playing card that holds the memory card on one side and the other has the cover art of the movie or game on it... then a small card box like a business card holder box that could be finger flipped through easily to find your movie or game...)
Just random thoughts....
I've wondered the same, ever since SD cards hit the market. I thought they would become the de facto physical storage medium at some point. So much for that I guess! I do what I can in support of physical media, be it CDs, Blu-ray, LP's etc, both new and used. Blu-ray discs are very hearty- I wish standard CDs were coated the same!
 
I do! Bring it on back! Hell yeah!

Only if people were careless with their discs. And Bluray disc? You can't easily scratch those. Total non-issue.

Yeah, ok. But that only counts for people transcoding their own videos. You've gotta have the original discs to begin with and that assumes people know how to do it. That's a very small group. Not a good point.

See above.

Cloud storage has nothing to do with it.

Now that's a fair point due to streaming media.

Another fair point. I disagree personally. I like get a movie off my shelf, putting in a disc and playing it without having to worry about ads or stream glitches.

That will not happen anytime this decade without a major breakthrough in SRAM storage.
You might want to catch up. Samsung offers 30tb ssds off amazon or new egg or anywhere else. Enterprise level SSDS are up to 100TB these days. Cost not size is the issue. 30 tb ssd is being sold for $6,100 you can get a 24tb single hard drive for $430-550ish which means for the single cost of one SSD you could have got yourself 14hds for a total size of 336tb pre-format of course.
 
I've often wondered why the (now) economically cheap to produce SD, MicroSD etc cards aren't used for hard copy's of games and movies etc...
I mean, they don't have to be write enabled or anything like that - just high speed readable, probably reducing the manufacturing cost considerably more, and you could theoretically store massive numbers of postage stamp sized cards in a much smaller space in your shelves at home than optical disks. A whole secondary industry around storage cases or drawers for the smaller format could be introduced (imagine a thin plastic holder the size of a playing card that holds the memory card on one side and the other has the cover art of the movie or game on it... then a small card box like a business card holder box that could be finger flipped through easily to find your movie or game...)
Just random thoughts....

Too small, which makes them easier to lose or be stolen by pirates. And the durability is not as good as optical media.

I'm pretty sure MicroSD chips are the de facto standard in cell phones these days, just not desktop PCs.
 
I'm all for physical media, but I'm sure no one wants a return to the disk days.

#1 Disks easily got scratched, damaged or unreadable.
#2 Cost of HDD declined.
#3 Cost of flash media declined.
#4 Cost of cloud storage declined.
#5 Cost of broadband internet declined, availability increased and most data caps lifted.

I love physical media but for me, it means a file on my HDD or SSD.

I have all the episodes of my favorite TV episodes and some of my favorite classic films on a 2TB HDD where they'll stay till I can get a 16TB SSD.

That all depends on the capacity/speed gains per disc and cost per disc. If the capacity/speed gains are high and the prices are low then I have no issue with storing data on spinning platters.

BD-R are most durable and reliable than any other of the physical storage devices in my opinion. And if you go for the M-Disc versions (more expensive) they'll probably out live you by a significant amount of time.

 
You might want to catch up. Samsung offers 30tb ssds off amazon or new egg or anywhere else. Enterprise level SSDS are up to 100TB these days. Cost not size is the issue. 30 tb ssd is being sold for $6,100 you can get a 24tb single hard drive for $430-550ish which means for the single cost of one SSD you could have got yourself 14hds for a total size of 336tb pre-format of course.
You seems to have missed some context.
 
I will never pay to rent a download. Physical media for me until the day I go belly up. I have literally picked up a music CD in the street that had obviously been run over a few times, seriously scratched. Just for a laugh I stuck it in my player and WTF! It played, almost perfectly. A shame though it was some modern female "screecher" so I binned it.
I have to chuckle every time I see someone claim that CDs are dead as the dodo. I guess they haven't noticed how much a second-hand music CD costs today, or even a new issue. If it was such a dead format they would be selling for a dollar a bucket full. Wake up and take a look around, outside your smartphone cloud mentality.
 
How many times is this story going to be rehashed/recycled on TechSpot. Please move along and stop writing stories about tech/products that no one wants.
 
Please move along and stop writing stories about tech/products that no one wants.
That statement just shows YOUR lack of understanding. As indicated by the comments here, there is very clearly a whole group of people that DO WANT and care about this kind of advancement. Yeah, take a moment to think about that before making response.
 
I'm always amazed at the complexity behind things we take for granted every day. Hard drives, optical media, flash storage, it's all fascinating to stop and really think about how anyone figure it out and engineered it to work properly.

I still rock a 4k bluray player and buy a few movies every month because the picture quality and sound is excellent.
 
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I like the physical media. I miss getting movies on disc - a lot just go to streaming and never make it to disc. I don't want to pay a streaming service to rent time to view a movie and I don't want to pay a digital service money to be allowed access to said movie as long as I have access to that service.

I like my movies on disc. I can put them on my plex server or watch them on my DVD player when I want to.

The only upside I can think of for having a movie on a streaming service is to access it wherever you are, but with remote access to my sever I can stream any movie I have when I want, where I want. I don't trust these digital services, there are stories out there of access being lost to movies/games because services stop or they lose rights to distribute stuff.
Plex server? You're whats wrong with global warming.
 
For online, what's there today might be gone tomorrow, and you might have to subscribe to another platform to find them. If you just move from one work to another, then this should not bother you at all.

For offline, some points to consider are cost per gigabyte or similar, how long the medium lasts, how much can you afford to buy for each purchase, and how much physical storage space you have. If you don't collect a lot, then these should not affect you that much.

For example, in some countries, if you compare a 4 TB hard drive, a 64 GB thumb drive, and a blank DVD with the MCC manufacturing code, you'll notice that cost per gigabyte is roughly the same: around 3 to 4 U.S. cents. Prices, of course, may vary given quality, brand, if you buy those with a lot of storage (where the cost should go down per GB), etc.

For longevity, given good quality for reasonable prices plus regular access, it should be around 20 years for disks, maybe 10 years for thumb drives, and around 5-7 years for hard drives.

Meanwhile, disks face issues like disk rot while hard drives and flash drives may fail. There are other issues, like loss being more catastrophic for hard drives, less for thumb drives, and even less for disks (as the content is spread out among more disks), storage space (around 6 drawer boxes of disks vs. one book-size box containing around 60 thumb drives vs. one hard drive), etc.
 
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